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Why are new postings placed at the top?[edit]

I have noticed recently, especially with increased activity on this page, that when I go to edit a section in order to add a comment, I am sometimes given the wrong section to edit. I believe that this happens because new postings are added at the top of the page, in a sort of reverse timeline, instead of being added at the logical place: the bottom. When a new section is created at the top after an editor loads a page, the sections all get their numbers shifted, and edit links on pages loaded before the new section was added do not work as expected.

Is there a good reason for adding new posts at the top of the page, instead of at the bottom? Or is this just the way it has always been done, and nobody has bothered to fix this annoyance? Or am I doing something wrong? – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I checked the oldest version (2011) of the bot's TFDClerk settings, and it's been adding that message since its creation. Twinkle predates the bot by four years, and to be honest I don't feel like digging through that much history.
From a chronological perspective, it does make some amount of sense: if you're reading through the TFD log, you want the newest templates at the top, and as you scroll between 10 Nov and 9 Nov it would be logical to have (for example) a nomination at 1AM followed by a nomination at 11PM the night before. If the logs were "new noms at the bottom", scrolling from 10 Nov to 9 Nov on the main page would result in an 11PM nom on 10 Nov followed by a 1AM nom on 9 Nov.
Do the aesthetics of having a "proper timeline" really matter? Probably not, as I do agree that going to edit one section only to suddenly find yourself working in another one rather problematic. Just from a quick search of a few logs, with the exception of one user (who I will ping mostly just because I'm referring to them, but I don't find anything wrong with their methods) it looks like the vast majority of users are using Twinkle, so it's very possible we could have the Twinkle devs update the coding to place new nominations at the bottom, ask Anomie to tweak the TFDClerk, and call it a day. That is, of course, if there's a consensus to make this change. Primefac (talk) 09:27, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
FYI: Looks like TFD as it is today started January 14, 2006, and the instruction was present then. Anyway, post to the bot's talk page if consensus decides to change it. Anomie 16:19, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Making Category:Unnecessary taxonomy templates G6[edit]

At Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 October 17#All templates in Category:Unnecessary taxonomy templates @Izno, @Tom (LT) and @Peter coxhead (on Izno's talk page) supported having these templates G6. How do we move this forward? Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Gonnym, just to double-check, you're asking if we can delete the 2 pages in Category:Unnecessary taxonomy templates per the XFD? Primefac (talk) 09:14, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes (per the past 6(?) discussions) Gonnym (talk) 09:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 Done. I don't think there's any harm in having the category holding a dozen or so templates at any given time, but if it gets above about 20 feel free to ping me to clear it out again. Primefac (talk) 09:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC) update: HAH! I just noticed there's a line in the cat specifically stating to post here...
@Primefac 90 templates. Can you take care of this? Gonnym (talk) 00:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done. Primefac (talk) 13:51, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:Review/Message boxes" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

Information.svg A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:Review/Message boxes. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 25#Wikipedia:Review/Message boxes until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Q28 hope you pay attention to TFD 00:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


Hello, Template folk,

I've been deleting some of these element templates that have gone through TFD after they've been readied for deletion. I always check to see if there are links and most of the templates haven't had links although a couple did have doc pages which I also deleted. Then there is Phosphorus. It was linked to Template:Engvar, Template:Engvar/doc and Template:Engvar/sandbox. I don't know the purpose of using the Phosphorus template on these pages but I thought maybe someone who did could check and see whether you wanted to substitute a different template for this deleted one.

Many thanks for your ongoing work to clean up the template world! Liz Read! Talk! 00:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Liz, I linked to to Phosphorus, which appears to provide the necessary demonstration. Thanks for the note, and for your TFD work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)